We've touched on this a number of times in class, and I've been thinking
about it a lot outside of school, too, but I think Holden's
"meanness" is really revealing, honest, and (for me) appealing.
Holden sounds "mean" in his descriptions and narration, but I
think most people can relate to this sentiment in one way another. We're in
Holden's head, and we hear his internal monologue when his peers don't, and this level of intimacy reveals a lot about him. No one can be in your
head, no matter the level of closeness they have with you -- that's why art as
a form of fiction, I think, is such a compelling tool: it lets us enter the
heads of characters and see inside their minds for once. It's uncomfortable
to see the reality of other people's consciences at first, but Holden is so
candid about his thoughts that I can't help but appreciate and like him as a
character.
He dissects people, takes them apart in his head (and for us), but there’s a
line that Holden draws between his inner monologue and the way he behaves.
Though he thinks Stradlater is only “yearbook handsome” and is sort of phony,
he still hangs out with him in the bathroom; he doesn’t particularly like the
way that Ackley can’t take a hint but he gets it, I think, and doesn’t
immediately get mad at Ackley (it takes a Ackley not listening to him). Though Spencer is stressing
him out and Selma has a big nose and crooked falsies, he’s still polite
to each of them, still hangs out with them and has conversations. In this way,
I think Holden is a really captivating character – he exemplifies the way that
we all behave, in one way or another. He is thoughtful, wishes Stradlater would
think about things and have conversations with him, and he knows when is the right
time to keep his thoughts and judgments to himself.
I like Holden a lot; I think he is honest with the reader and we can see his
sensitivities, his personality, his intricacies, all that, and we can also see
the way he chooses to present himself. He brings up the concept of "phony" a lot and how he can act a little phonier when he's with phony people, but isn't that how
we all are? Someone who was really truly 100% open with their thoughts would be
the biggest asshole ever!! Even with the best intentions, not-very-nice thoughts come into our heads no matter how much we love someone. Everyone thinks about people's appearances, their idiosyncrasies, their character, and sometimes we like it and sometimes we
don't. Holden is honest and thoughtful and real!!
Also it seems that, at the point in the novel that we join him, he is in the middle of
some sort of minor emotional breakdown, and those are definitely hard to go through without coming off as a bit of an asshole. When he gets all hung up on the memory of Jane (especially since it's bringing up all the memories of Allie -- which he doesn't seem to have fully processed yet), he gets into the fight with Stradlater. Have you guys ever had those days when you know you're really upset about something and taking it out on the people around you, but you don't know how to stop? His meltdown with Stradlater really struck me as one of those, especially when he goes to Ackley. He's desperately lonely, and he's reaching out to Ackley as a shot in the dark. I feel like, in the context of him bringing Allie's death back up to the surface of his mind, thinking about Stradlater possibly date-raping his old best friend, and feeling incredibly isolated at Pencey and unable to relate to the people around him, it's reasonable that he comes off as sort of an asshole. But hey, maybe that just says something about me!
And Holden's "meanness" is one of the reasons I have also been enjoying Catcher in the Rye so much! He is compeltely honest with the reader (even if not always reliable to himself/the reader) and his honesty is what makes him such a fun guy to be inside the head of. I find myself chuckling aloud while reading often because of the humor laced throughout the honesty -- even though he calls everyone "morons" he still generally seems to get along with people...
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ReplyDeleteI love this post and I also wrote mine in defense of Holden. I also think, what tips Holden on the "endearing" side of the scale (for me, at least) is his humour. Maybe I'd think he was more of an asshole if I didn't laugh out loud at some of his quips. Maybe they're even more funny because he makes that distinction between internal and external monologue--we're the only ones that get to hear his zingers. Plus, they come in right next to that honest emotional sensitivity you're talking about.
ReplyDeleteYou bring up some great points! Whether or not one thinks Holden is mean, kind-hearted, or something in between, he is certainly a real guy going through real problems. One might see surface level entitlement but the issues he's dealt with are far from trivial. I'm definitely liking Holden more and more as the book goes on.
ReplyDeleteI agreed with you right up to the point when I read the reading for Monday. SPOILER ALERT but Holden's attitude towards women is really degrading and condescending. Part of me thinks that I should cut him some slack because people were a lot less PC in the 1940s. And yet, then I have to question the extent that I have to cut everyone some slack.
ReplyDeleteI also appreciate Holden's behind the scenes look at some of these characters because that's pretty much the best way we can get to know the characters, which is from Holden's experience. And I think we've all thought something mean but acted nice in real life.
ReplyDeleteI think we would would have very different opinions of Holden if we viewed him from the outside, without hearing his persistent commentary on those around him. To the other people in this story, I think Holden would seem fairly normal, except for his disregard for his future.
ReplyDeleteI definitely see all the points you make, but I still have to disagree. I dislike Holden with a passion, although perhaps that may just be bc I see a lot of my own negative qualities reflected in him. I think his "meanness" makes him an interesting character and the story an interesting story, but I'm still gonna keep on hating him.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Anna Ding. Holden has a sense of truth or honesty with him which I like. But his manner towards women isn't the best. However I can see how people dislike him because of his rude nature and distaste for the future. Although he seems to be pretty individual in his manner, I think that a lot of people can assimilate with him and therefore dislike him because they don't want to associate themselves with him.
ReplyDeleteI think its a very good point that we're listening to his personal thoughts. We're all a lot more critical in our heads, and just filter our thoughts before saying them. I think that the backlash to his meanness might just be because the reader hasn't fully come to terms with the fact that we'd be a lot less immediately likable if people could have access to our thoughts
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